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Saturday, 8. July 2017, 20:31

New armor/changed armor [suggestion]

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I was thinking today after making a costume out of the ramslo raid set that it is a shame its not really a wearable armor set. Sooo...I was thinking what if this set was redone with new seals and of course the chests drops would have to be altered or give opening them a chance to be empty... (this would not affect existing armor opened from boxes) So with all that said, here are my suggestions for new seals for this nice set of armor that's going to waste.
defense: ok as they are I think.
base seals
400 hit rate
400 evasion
450 hp
450 mp
deadly 150%
For the 6th seal it could be random to add a little more chance.
Ideals for 6th seal:
antistone 40%
antistun 40%
attack speed -5 or % based from base speed might be better
Cooldown 40
MP consumption (for my mage and elementalist friends).

another thought that occurred to me was make the 6th seal rare (like the b6 sets) and let every box produce a set with the possibility of a 6th seal of the above.

These are of course just suggestions
Thoughts anyone?

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Sunday, 9. July 2017, 21:20

Making a new armor with seals like that would surely upset the people that have the high +'d and jeweled 17x sets. I do think however that the seals of the current 17x sets should be changed. Unless you're a cleric or a templar knight eva sets are pretty useless as every other class is most likely to use a hr set cause why not? Hr set gives you enough hr to shred through an eva set and it gives them options to choose which accessories they'd like to use as they don't need really need any hr accs cause of the set.I think hr set seals should be nerfed slightly cause eva just isn't as effective as it used to be back in the day. Hr set also increases the attack and the damage the player will do. Make eva great again!

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 00:21

Making a new armor with seals like that would surely upset the people that have the high +'d and jeweled 17x sets. I do think however that the seals of the current 17x sets should be changed. Unless you're a cleric or a templar knight eva sets are pretty useless as every other class is most likely to use a hr set cause why not? Hr set gives you enough hr to shred through an eva set and it gives them options to choose which accessories they'd like to use as they don't need really need any hr accs cause of the set.I think hr set seals should be nerfed slightly cause eva just isn't as effective as it used to be back in the day. Hr set also increases the attack and the damage the player will do. Make eva great again!

Making a new armor with seals like that would surely upset the people that have the high +'d and jeweled 17x sets. I do think however that the seals of the current 17x sets should be changed. Unless you're a cleric or a templar knight eva sets are pretty useless as every other class is most likely to use a hr set cause why not? Hr set gives you enough hr to shred through an eva set and it gives them options to choose which accessories they'd like to use as they don't need really need any hr accs cause of the set.I think hr set seals should be nerfed slightly cause eva just isn't as effective as it used to be back in the day. Hr set also increases the attack and the damage the player will do. Make eva great again!

Let's be real if there is new content then there will be new armor which will mean the same thing. I resisted trying to make the seals ridiculous but good enough to where someone might use them. They could be dialed back some so as to not cause an exodus from the current set if that is of concern. I just want options something different and usable.

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 00:33

Make a costume out of whichever armor you like, this is why the transmogrify system was made. In my opinion the 17x armor should remain as the end-game set unless the level cap is raised to like 200 along with a new map filled with content. I don't see anything like that coming anytime soon so in my opinion the 17x sets should be tweaked for now.

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 04:34

Making a new armor with seals like that would surely upset the people that have the high +'d and jeweled 17x sets.

I think hr set seals should be nerfed slightly

So some1 who has high +d and jeweled 17x hr set will only be upset if a new armor set comes out but not if the the seals of the set r nerfed? ?(
We had high plused 16x sets, then the 17x droppable came out, whe +d those, then the 17x hr/evas were released and we moved to that set.

Unless you're a cleric or a templar knight eva sets are pretty useless as every other class is most likely to use a hr set cause why not?

Hmm u might be surprised, but there r other classes around which also use evas sets or evas parts like a normal ranger - ranger has hr buff so can use evas set, elementalist needs evasion set or parts, ns can use hybrid 3+3 parts, archer has high hr so can use some evas parts and so on. Not every1 uses hr sets and most the players tend to use different sets/parts/accs depending on what they focus on pvp or pve or arena or sieges.

I'm not saying the ramslo sets should have some amazing seals but surely could have something different than the seals of the 16x set. or even mixed evas/hr/speed/cd etc seals. We use transmografy or covers for the 'look' , the ramslo set has unique look so why not having some nice and different than current seals too which would make it playable?
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Monday, 10. July 2017, 05:30

So some1 who has high +d and jeweled 17x hr set will only be upset if a new armor set comes out but not if the the seals of the set r nerfed? ?( We had high plused 16x sets, then the 17x droppable came out, whe +d those, then the 17x hr/evas were released and we moved to that set.

For the most part, the people who moved from the 163-165 sets to the 170-172 sets had the option of upgrading with 100% +1 ams to a max of 25. Such luxury no longer exists so it's more of an inconvenience now in my opinion. You also have the cost of much more expensive jewels to worry about now.


I'm not saying the ramslo sets should have some amazing seals but surely could have something different than the seals of the 16x set. or even mixed evas/hr/speed/cd etc seals. We use transmografy or covers for the 'look' , the ramslo set has unique look so why not having some nice and different than current seals too which would make it playable?

I'm not understanding why the discussion is focusing on a set ~4.5 years old. You're presented with another example of a set that could use seal upgrades each time you open the forums, and it even comes in two level and faction rank variants. Beyond that you even have another faction based set with lame seals as well... At some point I've made the suggestion to modify seals on these sets -- probably lost on the old forums -- but at this point I wouldn't bother at all with faction points.

Regarding the seal suggestions itself, it basically looks like you took the existing hit rate sets, increased the base hit rate, removed the attack seal in favor of eva, increased the base MP and deadly (and expanded this to all classes I guess?), and with the 6th random seal being cd, increased the base cd. I don't really like the idea of a mixed set like that and would also rather see more of a balance to the existing hr/eva sets and pvp/pve in general, as part of the game mechanics have just become so cookie-cutter to some (make ex-ranger, get hr set, get dura wep.)
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Monday, 10. July 2017, 06:00

So some1 who has high +d and jeweled 17x hr set will only be upset if a new armor set comes out but not if the the seals of the set r nerfed? ?( We had high plused 16x sets, then the 17x droppable came out, whe +d those, then the 17x hr/evas were released and we moved to that set.

For the most part, the people who moved from the 163-165 sets to the 170-172 sets had the option of upgrading with 100% +1 ams to a max of 25. Such luxury no longer exists so it's more of an inconvenience now in my opinion. You also have the cost of much more expensive jewels to worry about now.


I'm not saying the ramslo sets should have some amazing seals but surely could have something different than the seals of the 16x set. or even mixed evas/hr/speed/cd etc seals. We use transmografy or covers for the 'look' , the ramslo set has unique look so why not having some nice and different than current seals too which would make it playable?

I'm not understanding why the discussion is focusing on a set ~4.5 years old. You're presented with another example of a set that could use seal upgrades each time you open the forums, and it even comes in two level and faction rank variants. Beyond that you even have another faction based set with lame seals as well... At some point I've made the suggestion to modify seals on these sets -- probably lost on the old forums -- but at this point I wouldn't bother at all with faction points.

Regarding the seal suggestions itself, it basically looks like you took the existing hit rate sets, increased the base hit rate, removed the attack seal in favor of eva, increased the base MP and deadly (and expanded this to all classes I guess?), and with the 6th random seal being cd, increased the base cd. I don't really like the idea of a mixed set like that and would also rather see more of a balance to the existing hr/eva sets and pvp/pve in general, as part of the game mechanics have just become so cookie-cutter to some (make ex-ranger, get hr set, get dura wep.)


I really only made those seal suggestions as a place to start a conversation with. There may be more practical seals that might be desirable that would be different than the 17x set but still usable. Something else to consider not everyone takes their armor to +25...I mean its probably a goal but, reality is most can't/don't

This new set would not have to make the old set obsolete. it could be different but, usable. Perhaps with different seals for different classes to accentuate their strengths.

The 6th seal stuff again just throwing out an idea nothing more. If you would like to suggest something that would be more useful then great.
I personally would like something to take everyone's minds off these elemental bosses and give them something else to do besides boss hunt 24/7 for goodness sake...

Faction stuff....yeah...I know people that never go to Alber so getting those points and the set well...not gonna happen for a lot people.

I mean if you want to keep running around in that gerbil wheel fine...go ahead, you don't have to go for a new set this one does not have to replace it or even be better just different.

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 06:11

Make a costume out of whichever armor you like, this is why the transmogrify system was made. In my opinion the 17x armor should remain as the end-game set unless the level cap is raised to like 200 along with a new map filled with content. I don't see anything like that coming anytime soon so in my opinion the 17x sets should be tweaked for now.

I guess you didn't read my post fully. This thought came to me using this system. I did exactly what you suggested and made a cover out of it.

and fine consider this a tweaked set how would you like that tweaked set to look like?

While we are talking about new content and cap raise really what are you expecting from this game? New content like that is not likely going to happen. I mean its ok to dream but, its an all or nothing mentality. What is more likely is that we will get small changes new items mods to existing items because there is only so much time one programmer can dedicate to new things. We Know the current bugs in the game and those bugs can keep a dev busy for months

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 06:59


This new set would not have to make the old set obsolete. it could be different but, usable. Perhaps with different seals for different classes to accentuate their strengths.
Finding and re-defining those as needed is probably a good starting point.


Faction stuff....yeah...I know people that never go to Alber so getting those points and the set well...not gonna happen for a lot people.

Which is exactly why I suggested changing up those sets, to make Alber more desirable for that reason. I also suggested increasing XP gain there to give players a place other than raid to level at a more reasonable rate.... two birds one stone. At this point I don't think people would be as willing. Me personally after a certain amount of time has gone by I'd much rather see new content than revamped old content.
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Monday, 10. July 2017, 07:08


This new set would not have to make the old set obsolete. it could be different but, usable. Perhaps with different seals for different classes to accentuate their strengths.
Finding and re-defining those as needed is probably a good starting point.


Faction stuff....yeah...I know people that never go to Alber so getting those points and the set well...not gonna happen for a lot people.

Which is exactly why I suggested changing up those sets, to make Alber more desirable for that reason. I also suggested increasing XP gain there to give players a place other than raid to level at a more reasonable rate.... two birds one stone. At this point I don't think people would be as willing. Me personally after a certain amount of time has gone by I'd much rather see new content than revamped old content.


I am in complete agreement with what you say about the alber changes but, there is half the population of LC that still will not set foot in alber except for the quests.

What I am suggesting is rather simple and won't take that much effort to do. Seal change, random 6th seal all stuff that takes extra ordinarily little work. Code is already in the game.

Even with the seals I suggested people will still use the HR set because of the attack seals but, this set would give sorcs the chance for deadles instead of relegated to crits... give mages and elementalist mp consumption items which they need. It could be the thing that makes some of the other classes more playable. Lets look at this as a different flavor not a replacement. Tweak the seals to your liking.

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Monday, 10. July 2017, 09:37

... give mages mp consumption items which they need.
For real????

There are already mp consumption gloves lvl 170 with 40% base (reformed goes up to 70-80 easy), tof acc with 20% (u can wear 3 of them)....Do u really think mages need another part with mp consumption?

About the "new" epic seals on the set I believe it should be the 182 or 185 alber set, because if it gonna be so epic it should take some time and effort to achieve. Even with empty boxes from ramslo - it will be the same as with eva/hr weps we had in the past - in a month u'll have the full set.

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Tuesday, 11. July 2017, 02:05

... give mages mp consumption items which they need.
For real????

There are already mp consumption gloves lvl 170 with 40% base (reformed goes up to 70-80 easy), tof acc with 20% (u can wear 3 of them)....Do u really think mages need another part with mp consumption?

About the "new" epic seals on the set I believe it should be the 182 or 185 alber set, because if it gonna be so epic it should take some time and effort to achieve. Even with empty boxes from ramslo - it will be the same as with eva/hr weps we had in the past - in a month u'll have the full set.

Have you tried dropping mp consumption gloves lately? The only ones left are def seal ones... unless you have a stockpile of them in storage or maybe because you have them you think everybody else does. The seals don't have to be epic I just posted those to spur a discussion they could be comparable to the 173 but, with different seals.
I am surprised at these responses to say the least. I figured everyone would be more open to something new. It seems everyone wants the status quo so maybe my suggestion is not worthy... Thank you for your time and commenting.
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Have you tried dropping mp consumption gloves lately? The only ones left are def seal ones... unless you have a stockpile of them in storage or maybe because you have them you think everybody else does. The seals don't have to be epic I just posted those to spur a discussion they could be comparable to the 173 but, with different seals.



From my experience its normal drop rate and nothing rare... I've got few pairs during easter event without any boster or lucky scrolls.

In the past helped to some frnds to get theirs with idb and ls - took us less than 10mins.

If u want to give something useful to mage class then pick the cooldown because of the horible cd on some of their skills some extra cooldown is always welcome.

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Wednesday, 12. July 2017, 02:44



Have you tried dropping mp consumption gloves lately? The only ones left are def seal ones... unless you have a stockpile of them in storage or maybe because you have them you think everybody else does. The seals don't have to be epic I just posted those to spur a discussion they could be comparable to the 173 but, with different seals.



From my experience its normal drop rate and nothing rare... I've got few pairs during easter event without any boster or lucky scrolls.

In the past helped to some frnds to get theirs with idb and ls - took us less than 10mins.

If u want to give something useful to mage class then pick the cool down because of the horrible cd on some of their skills some extra cool down is always welcome.

I don't think we are talking about the same gloves a few maintenances ago the changed they 6th seal on the ones I was talking about they are no long mp sealed.
But that's fine. There are options with the accessories as you said so all is not lost.
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Wednesday, 12. July 2017, 12:11



Have you tried dropping mp consumption gloves lately? The only ones left are def seal ones... unless you have a stockpile of them in storage or maybe because you have them you think everybody else does. The seals don't have to be epic I just posted those to spur a discussion they could be comparable to the 173 but, with different seals.



From my experience its normal drop rate and nothing rare... I've got few pairs during easter event without any boster or lucky scrolls.

In the past helped to some frnds to get theirs with idb and ls - took us less than 10mins.

If u want to give something useful to mage class then pick the cool down because of the horrible cd on some of their skills some extra cool down is always welcome.

I don't think we are talking about the same gloves a few maintenances ago the changed they 6th seal on the ones I was talking about they are no long mp sealed.
But that's fine. There are options with the accessories as you said so all is not lost.
Yes,it was changed, but 1-2 weeks later was reversed back to mp reduction.

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Wednesday, 12. July 2017, 12:49

Yes,it was changed, but 1-2 weeks later was reversed back to mp reduction.


The old droppable set which included the mp reduction mage gloves, critical rogue gloves, mp reduction sorc pants, 50% cd on helms etc was mixed evas/cont/hr seals as shown here 170-172 armor seals - Last Chaos - Guides & Information (the 2nd set of every class had mixed seals).
The reverse to previous values was only for parts already dropped or already with +
The droppable 170-172 armors now have same seals as the attendance armor seals shown here : Attendance armor seals - Last Chaos - Guides & Information
So no more evas/hr seals on mage's mp consumption gloves, only defense seals. Changes are accordingly to other classe's sets too, defense seals only and on most of them the 6th seal totally changed (no more 50% cd on helms etc).
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Thursday, 13. July 2017, 14:11

Yes,it was changed, but 1-2 weeks later was reversed back to mp reduction.


The old droppable set which included the mp reduction mage gloves, critical rogue gloves, mp reduction sorc pants, 50% cd on helms etc was mixed evas/cont/hr seals as shown here 170-172 armor seals - Last Chaos - Guides & Information (the 2nd set of every class had mixed seals).
The reverse to previous values was only for parts already dropped or already with +
The droppable 170-172 armors now have same seals as the attendance armor seals shown here : Attendance armor seals - Last Chaos - Guides & Information
So no more evas/hr seals on mage's mp consumption gloves, only defense seals. Changes are accordingly to other classe's sets too, defense seals only and on most of them the 6th seal totally changed (no more 50% cd on helms etc).
I was wrong... thanks for explaining it. However I still beleive mp concumption is not so great seal especialy with reg hit game.

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Friday, 14. July 2017, 02:12

I was wrong... thanks for explaining it. However I still beleive mp concumption is not so great seal especialy with reg hit game.

Not for most classes but, it can be useful for some. It would just be one of the possible seals anyways if you want it fine if not npc it...
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