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Sunday, 18. April 2021, 18:21

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Hello,

I was wondering if there are any future plans in the work to optimize this game so it can make more use of modern CPUs and graphics cards?
Not sure how many active developers there are and not sure how many developers on the development team are well versed in the game engine code itself. I saw that someone raised a similar suggestion a little over 4 years ago so I'm going to bring this suggestion up again to see if more people would be interested in this idea.

I see that the game appears to only use 1 core, 1 thread which I guess is not surprising since this game was made back in 2007 which I was around during that time but I was never sure if this game would see any game engine improvements to become multithreaded for example so it makes more use of multiple CPU cores and also make more use of the graphics card processing power if needed. I noticed this when I opened task manager. I only see 1 core/1 thread active and all other threads are not active.


I notice that the game lags when there is a large amount of people on my screen and I have my shadow settings set to the max. I'm a bit surprised that even then, it would cause my computer to lag and I am using a GTX 1080 and was using a Intel i7-2600K at the time. I recently upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600X CPU while keeping the same graphics card so it will be interesting to see if I can run the game without any FPS dips when there are lots of people on my screen.

Anyway, I believe implementing game engine optimizations so it would perform better on newer computers would be welcomed by all players. Thanks.

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Sunday, 18. April 2021, 20:21

Probably it would be more work to optimize the old graphics-engine or anything else in the game than coding a "remastered" version based on a more modern engine.

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Monday, 19. April 2021, 08:24

ive seen this attempted before , the first map gets made runs great , but the development costs are extreme in terms of time effort collaboration and other factors . the project never gets finished for a lot of reasons .
ive always insisted the maps could be repacked with unreal 4 or tank and rapid tank so they have modern textures that use 90 percent less memory , but if you do that the maps have to be repopulated and it would indeed be a lot of work , all the quests would be broken and would have to be repaired the list goes on ....

it would take a whole team at least a year ,that is if it could even be done at all , its easy to say , repack all the maps ! update the engine ! but doing it is another thing .
use unreal 4 and they want 20 percent of any profit .... you can download that and check , you are not going to give anyone a percent of the profit .youd go broke .

all the other engines are the same way . they are not freeware , they charge for the use of their software , besides the way lc is ,it will run on you phone in a few years .

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Friday, 14. May 2021, 22:01

probably a long shot but who knows are they secretly working on updating this game and we dont know yet?

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Sunday, 25. July 2021, 17:35

I hope they do, as I have the hardware that will support midrange graphics, if nothing else.

However. I do need to repeat, that the low income earners will also need to continue to play LC as well. So having code in the installation system, that will check the hardware, and then adjust the game settings, will still need to be there.

Also, some time ago, I did suggest to Vilya, that maybe an OpenGL V4.6 based game engine could be used. There is also a Shader Model for it, and I've also heard of a ray tracing system being developed for it, as well. I was hoping that such a game engine would make LC portable, so that it could be ported to other platforms. Like Linux, and the MacOS.

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Sunday, 25. July 2021, 21:45

I do need to repeat, that the low income earners will also need to continue to play LC as well.
Excuse me for asking, but why? Low income earners are NOT likely to spending lots of money into a game. And what Gamigo needs more than anything else ist als many intense cash-players as possible.
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Thursday, 29. July 2021, 23:04

No matter what low income players spend on Last Chaos, they still have as much right as the rest of us, to play the game. Truth, too.

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Friday, 30. July 2021, 06:38

What are you talking about? Last Chaos is still free to play. So you state that people with low income can't afford a more modern (maximum 6 years old) computer or upgrade it? If that's the case, they should rather get a second job rather than playing time consuming online games. Lawnmowing in the neighborhood? 10$ per backyard, 2 backyards a day and after a month you easily can get a 2-4year old high performance gaming pc.

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Monday, 23. August 2021, 02:28

I hope they do, as I have the hardware that will support midrange graphics, if nothing else.

However. I do need to repeat, that the low income earners will also need to continue to play LC as well. So having code in the installation system, that will check the hardware, and then adjust the game settings, will still need to be there.

Also, some time ago, I did suggest to Vilya, that maybe an OpenGL V4.6 based game engine could be used. There is also a Shader Model for it, and I've also heard of a ray tracing system being developed for it, as well. I was hoping that such a game engine would make LC portable, so that it could be ported to other platforms. Like Linux, and the MacOS.

I agree that the game should still also support low end computer systems though if it becomes too problematic, then I guess it may be for the best to drop some support for low end systems.

My suggestion is more of just making some improvements (though in reality, sometimes this may require a complete overhaul...)
If they optimize the game properly and allow support for multithreading, in theory, it should also help improve performance on very low end computers as well. I think majority of low end computers these days have at least 2 cores or at least 2 threads. In theory, if the game detects a CPU has multiple threads, then make use of them, if not, then only use that 1 thread.

it looks like 3% of Steam hardware survey (you can do a web search on the survey) participants have chosen other which includes single core CPUs, triple core CPUs, 16 core CPUs, and so on. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that out of the 3%, very very few people are still using single core single thread CPUs. I wonder how many people still use a Pentium 4 computer as their daily driver :D (I still have one but it's hiding somewhere in the closet)

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Monday, 23. August 2021, 18:44

Low end computers, these days would have a Core i3 in them, or the AMD equivalent. 16GB of RAM would also be a good idea, as LC won't be the only thing the low income earners will want to do. Web browsing, emailing, and instant messaging, will also need space.

Graphics cards wise, one with 2 - 4GB of VRAM will be good, and it doesn't have to be a mid range card, either. Even a low end card will do.

Motherboard, a micro ATX board will also work wonders, so all they'll need is their existing case, HDD and optical drive(s), keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Only reason they'll need a new power supply, is if the existing PSU is wearing out, or if it isn't powerful enough. If the existing PSU is 450 watt or better, and still in good condition, then such a Core i3 system, with a graphics card that needs 300 watts at minimum, will help, and will cost less than $1000. Especially if the low income people are able to assemble the components themselves. All they'll need now, is the Windows OS (eg. Windows Vista, 7, 8.x, or 10, and preferably 64bit), that came with the original computer. If not, then a new legal copy of Windows 10 will be needed.

PSU watts is mentioned, as the aforementioned 300 watts, is to etnsure that there's enough power for everything. There are also low cost keyboard/mouse kits out there, that won't break the bank. For instance, I bought such a ki recently, and the kit only cost me $29 in Australian currency. Just in case either the keyboard and mouse needs replacing, I mean. Link for the kit I bought, below.

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