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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 11:39


I find it amazing how other servers don't have any rules for Siege posted at all, and they never complain and do such s..t as people on LC USA for sieges.

Lol bs, you ever went on LC GER forums before all forums got merged? I think I even told you about what was happening. As for the rules they got the same as we do so your comment that they do not have siege rules is invalid.
I don't mind at all one guild owner to win siege with their main guild and then next week with alts guild, its ok, but since there was (if im not wrong) just one guild other than the owner of MCS defending at siege, how could they open 300+ points in the first stage (wich was at least 150 points away from the 2nd place guild) with over 5-6 guilds competitng for the points from pvp kills and guard kills) its at least weird i would say... Please :thumbdown: ... thts at least 100 guards killed or so, or lets say, 30+ GMS killed between 15 mins of first stage :D:D:D
Sorry but it is not an alt guild, we have two different GM's. As you could see some others from *a guild I don't want to mention* even went to Spawn D without gear on to give *the other guild* points, but it didn't work, because only the actual MCS GUILD defenders can give points.
"Support" to me is the much better word, as supporting can range from Partying during throne stage, to allowing one attacking Guild an unfair advantage by allowing them to "farm" defenders to guarantee them a top 3 spot, "support" can even range into using constant weak attacks by defenders to ensure Sleep Scrolls and Sleep Fog don't have to be (expensively) cured, and also those same weak attacks can be used to force the activation of Chaos Aragonite/Malachite, making it harder for those they may want to actually kill them to succeed in that task.
It is also pretty unfair to kill other attackers as attacker via pvp in the 2nd round (as you're not supposed to kill them) or the other way around with defenders. Atleast that used to be the whole concept of MCS for years. Same for DCS by the way, a siege holder (MCS) should not be allowed to kill other defenders (DCS guild) at the DCS (correct me if you think this isn't right).
I mean if this is allowed already, then it also should be allowed to Party attackers as defenders.
If your ruling remains as is Vilya, I'm afraid it will set a disastrous precedent, one that could lead to MCS being dull and uncontested. (I know it's struggling with the Stage 1 issue, and although there's no actual "bugs" with Stage 1, attackers need to be able to attack and kill each other, something which people from both sides of this specific argument will agree on). I will quote this from Rule 13 of the in-game rules:
I highly doubt that MCS was designed that people have to only kill guards or defenders in the 1st round. Also like I already said this has been around for many years that the first stage was all about attackers vs attackers to get Top 3.
ALSO: MCS was designed that only the Top 3 Guilds are going to stage 2!!!!!!
"You may not use or abuse any game features to create a scenario that is
logically not intended during an event, even if technically possible and
permitted by game design."
It is logically not intended to use PVP mode at siege. Please, Vilya, clarifiy this again on how MCS/DCS are to be played or just get the old rules back where most people followed the rules. It's not like you have to watch it, I think we all know how sieges are to be played and what the rules were.

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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 12:31

It is logically not intended to use PVP mode at siege. Please, Vilya, clarifiy this again on how MCS/DCS are to be played or just get the old rules back where most people followed the rules. It's not like you have to watch it, I think we all know how sieges are to be played and what the rules were.



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This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Vilya" (21. August 2016, 15:06) with the following reason: Rule 3.4 You are just allowed to quote the statement you are directly referring to.

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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 15:04

I think we all know how sieges are to be played and what the rules were.
If this were true, rules would not be required.

We will not make this as it was with Aeria where there was a page and a half of rules that were not abided anyways and staff still had to stop and babysit sieges every week. We should not be required to sit at sieges every week because the same group of people are doing the same things and the same people are upset over it.

We will not be making rules about rules or new rules every time someone has a problem with how another person or guild does something. We do not want to inundate the game with excessive rules, less is more. Play fair, play honest, play with common sense and common decency. Play how you want others to play instead of allowing them to draw you into what you see as questionable behavior.

We had this same conversation (almost to a tee) when Keron and pets were allowed.

You all complain because we enforce rules, then you complain that we don't. You complain all we do is ban people and the server is losing people because we are too hard on everyone and enforcement, then we get this.

All that being said, I will only post this warning once before this thread gets closed.
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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 15:22

Sorry, I expressed myself wrong. I meant the time when we had like 20 Rules for castle sieges.


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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 16:10

1. People complain about siege and other things on the other servers too.
2. The "lets all act mature and play nice" suggestion. I really can't picture you doing that in the past. I don't see you in game atm, but could be that you are lurking somewhere? But thanks for suggestion

Well...i do actually play, i am almost at every siege with one of my many characters, they arent all called "una" you know ;)
Given a lot has happened in the past, but guess what people mature, some of you should try that sometime ;)
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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 18:07

1. People complain about siege and other things on the other servers too.
2. The "lets all act mature and play nice" suggestion. I really can't picture you doing that in the past. I don't see you in game atm, but could be that you are lurking somewhere? But thanks for suggestion

Well...i do actually play, i am almost at every siege with one of my many characters, they arent all called "una" you know ;)
Given a lot has happened in the past, but guess what people mature, some of you should try that sometime ;)
Thats good to hear Una =) If you count mature as to accept and never question things in life. Then yes, that's me. And i do it at work too. That's how progress is made.

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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 20:37

asking another guild that owns cs

now apoc has dcs and u think they set dcs time so u cant go .is it possible that thts a time were apoc guildies can get on isn't it there choice how to defend should I get butt hurt I couldn't make mcs at 10 am eastern time no .it was outlawz choice what time they could get on no matter what reason .but since I couldn't attend I still reged for it and my guildies went cs is fun and some times ppl just cant go .

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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 21:09

now apoc has dcs and u think they set dcs time so u cant go .is it possible that thts a time were apoc guildies can get on isn't it there choice how to defend should I get butt hurt I couldn't make mcs at 10 am eastern time no .it was outlawz choice what time they could get on no matter what reason .but since I couldn't attend I still reged for it and my guildies went cs is fun and some times ppl just cant go .
10 am SATURDAY is easier to get to than 1am MONDAY .. #justsayin

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Sunday, 21. August 2016, 22:45

Vilya,
I have never been for the over ruling of events. I would just as soon not have any rules...The fewer rules the less there is to misunderstand (and whine about) but, if you are going to have a rule it should be clear what that rule is for...It would be helpful and probably stop the arguments if you were to clarify the circumstances that this rule should apply to and limit it's application to only that circumstance.

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Monday, 22. August 2016, 10:19

Hello there,

Vilya has already clearly stated what this is about in previous replies in this thread. To summerize see below:

We have been told that stage 1 is not broken so therefore will not be "fixed". As for the PKing, that is also allowed at sieges, and has been for quite some time.

Rule 13 is in regards to parties between attackers and defenders during siege, that would be the support discussed therein. This was for the attackers and defenders partying one another to heal, buffs or debuff defenders and nothing more.


Is it too much to ask for that all of the players are presented with facts and what is okay to bend the rules with, or is it really supposed to be only a few people that gets "all clear" to bend rules?
Watch yourself. No one is bending rules, the rule (as I explained to The1 in game the day it was made) refers to defenders and attackers partying one another to win siege...PERIOD.

It is not about anything else, that is the totality of it. That can be proven in log if it occurs. I cannot prove that "OMG So and So only killed such and such a guild and no one else!!!! BAN THEM!" Which is why it is not a rule.

PKing is allowed, it is a PvP server, period.


This should be clear enough for everyone.
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Monday, 22. August 2016, 12:40

yes okay as we want to get into detail i where told not to party def and attacker was the rule.
but and but,
rule 13 clearly tells u that as u read it u cannot benefit defenders being attacker buy killing other attackers.
u cannot benefit attackers by being defender and helping attacks is what rule13 says.
allso how can it be allowed to pk on siege grounds in a siege. sry i dont really understand the feture of this couse by all means i wont mind putting it to good use,
but by flag up pvp sign u allready there violate rule 13 as its stated. if u are allowed to kill defenders being defender why would u need to flag up ? hmm...
is it becouse the devs messed up the codeings and being to hard to fix ? or how is this to be understood, becouse this rule 13. is put all wrong if every thing but party isent allowed. *Removed, See PM*
thanks again for takeing your time reading and replying.
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Monday, 22. August 2016, 13:19

Thread cleaned...again. It will not happen a third time without being closed. Rule 13 EXAMPLE amended to clarify partying between attackers and defenders.

Beyond this, we will not alter anything else. Use your best judgement and common sense. If you have doubts on it, don't do it.

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Tuesday, 23. August 2016, 04:38

Thank you!

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