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Friday, 17. February 2017, 06:29

Suggestion for the economy of Last Chaos (not the new server)

So what I would suggest is to take out owls affinity and keron, because those affinities take gold out of the game permanently and gold needs to be something that is constantly recycled
1) take away those 2 affinities shop items

2) make a sleep cure item that can be bought just like silence or stone remedies

3) sell about 10 trillion gold maximum in item mall and then take it out when it's all bought out

If this is done the gold would last for a long time until the developers could fix the out going gold problem

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 07:49

I would not be in favor of taking out owl or keron I use them both when I hunt ramslo or world bosses and am ok with the prices. I would however, suggest disabling keron in pvp and maybe an adjustment to the owl cool down to slightly longer than it is now.
I would not want gold in the item mall either its a very bad way to distribute gold.
Why a cure to sleep?
What would help is to lower the cost of stones so we don't have to decide whether or not we should buff based on how much gold we take in during our play time. Lowering the ridiculous prices of p2 items and finally kill the eggy fee. allow the pet armor to be sold back to the npc because even if we can we are still losing a lot of gold on buying it in the first place...I have watched the gold do nothing but go down on one of my toons since the change. Maybe I am just stupid but, this just doesn't seem right to me. How am I suppose to get the gold needed to buy jewels for my armor to be able to compete with everyone?...I am gonna stop complaining now...at least I have some friends in game that sort of takes my mind off of the issue...

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 11:13

there is issue with gold on server problem is the people who have the big chunks of it is not spending it becouse they got everything money can buy allready, the items they need or might need are all ic items like a pot or something which they just buy useing ic.
fair enough by why the hell gold drops and rate lowerd ?? why npc values lowerd and drop rate lowerd ??? this makes no sense.
lower market ?? mhmm okay so old people like those with few trillions come back and they just have a free pick table to take every thing..
gold rate on server need increase market need move.. i see same people every day trying to sell same items every day..
issue is no1 who need stuff can make or get the gold they need to buy the items..
i made other post about gold rate where i farmed back befor the nerf and the rate by lowerd drop rate to gold drops and items and sure seems like gold drops when dropped is lowerd too.. i mean okay sure sounds like we just complain here but seriously dont any1 else see this issue to be a game killer ??
when items in demand dont move couse lack of gold there surely is an issue as how i see it.. something people want or like ic buyers cant sell ic items to their value becouse the gold rate "sucks" completely..
the issue is not gold going out though the afinity shops. but the income from grinding.
more and more items on the table but less gold to buy it.
id agree to the fact the cooldown time on owl should be increased leave keron as it is.
but increase the gold income.
i mean Theres no use to try gold farm anymore simply not posible.
okay we can all do monstercombo.. but that is a gold drain too and no gold is added by doing it.
or element bosses same issue there more items no gold income from it.
140+ crafting huge gold drain no income from that either just more items and alot less gold.
affinity shops huge gold drain and 0 gold income.
reforming items gold drain too and 0 income.
so with this all said.. where is the income ?
lets list a few here shall we.?
so grind to lvl is all people do now since u cant gold farm.
grinding as u level or do pictorial book getting those items, u make around 100k at low lvl grind a hour ?
and as u level as high level u make around 15-30m a hour with lucky spell book 30-60m maybe a little more depends on where u grind and what class.
so as npc items u dont do when u grind on pots when u lvl up thats the only kinda income.. that is really bad.
and npcing items require iris cash item to npc where u grind at or run there to sell.. this is an issue since the gold u make a hour npcing items is so low.
since u cant even double the cash a hour doing it without pots and if u chose to use item drop boosters your loss is more then u will ever hope to make.
so i tested this in some locations hour rate with permanent 2 attack speed. make 20-30m cash a hour and 60-80 with lucky spell book. just killing.
so if i try npcing items myself i make 70-90m a hour doing this on my own and use lucky spell book and lucky scroll.
now when i do this with some1 else that npc items while i kill useing lucky spell book and lucky scroll and partner useing the ic item to npc at location they make 60-100m a hour and i get 15-25m a hour this is becouse the gold drops i get gets split in two since we are in party.
so this same way we did around a year ago and we made allmoste 1b a hour.
so going from about 1b income 2 people split thats 500m each and down 2 100m a hour.. ? who would seriously be willing to do this for gold ? when u can boss hunt make 1b items a hour or more. or monster combo make around 400m a hour from selling those ?
those 2 options is not a gold income.. but more items to take out the last gold floating around.
Theres soo many issues to this that i dont even think the gamigo staff realise exists to be like this.
ofc they want to make a profit running this but when people can load 100k iris cash and cant sell it becouse no one can make that gold to buy it means the people spending real money wont spend and less people even buy iris cash. less people buying is less profit to gamigo.
Theres soo many people quit becouse they like playing buy to play like buy their way though the game, but cant couse they cant get the gold (cash) to optain the items they dont buy. like jewels afinity items weapons and so on.
so okay they can / could just buy the masterstones and upgrade items ? umm sure okay spend 200b to make a +28 weapon at lower lvl in ic value when this weapon is worth around 30-50b at tops and those u buy are trade able means after u done with it and make next or buy next u can sell it this u cant when u make it. if u chose to make your own stuff u are stuck with it. idk if i need to explain what that would mean ?
try figure it out and please do fix the basic issues.
this is some of the moste hurtful issues on the game. as i see it even worse then some of the bugs. this is reason for people to dont spend money on the game and reason people leave the game to move on to better games due to these flaws.
allso please look into personal dungs ?? i mean why cap it so u can max do 5 a day ?? i got over 10k tickets to each. and i just realised with this cap.. it really sucks. its not like u can make huge profit of it anyways so why make it so u can only do 5 a day like 5 rescue princess or 5 ajkan runs ? these are my moste favorite things to do as low lvl and ive done it loads in old times. i miss it its fun why make it a thing ? why cap ? sp xp drops there are like nothing u wont get stuff really.
its awsome content and all but cmon.. cap it!! whyy
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Friday, 17. February 2017, 12:53

I'll have to disagree with you on this one, Dynamic. Taking Keron and Owl out of the game wouldn't solve anything, and it would serve to tick off everyone who spent money (Owl) and time (Keron) to farm those specific affinities, unless they added something equally beneificial in those affinities to make up for the loss of them, in which scenario we would be back to square one since people would just waste their money on the replacement items instead. It wouldn't solve anything, just create a new problem.

Similarily, putting gold in the IM wouldn't help anyone, even if it was just a limited amount or for a limited time. The people who are commonly low on gold are (in a majority of cases) those who doesn't want to spend their life savings on buying IC, so the only ones who would buy that money are most likely the people who already have gold. Sure, it would put more gold into the game, but that gold would just end up in the pocket of the already rich people eventually. It wouldn't solve anything.

Like The1 mentioned, what we need is for a way to farm gold without having to spend our life savings on it. If not by raising gold drops, then perhaps by a Daily Quest which would give you a fair amount of gold? You could distribute a bunch of daily quests across all levels which would give you increasing amounts of gold, as long as you would be willing to put in the work to do them (so preferably, the quest would have to be somethnig tricky for people of that level).

For example, let's say that at lvls 50-100, Lorraine would give you a daily quest that included killing Erebus, Grand Devilroad Kamira and Darkmind Terrain, and depending on how many of those bosses you had killed when you hand in the quest at the end of the day, you would receive 100m, 200m or 300m? Then, at lvls 101-140, you would receive a similar quest that included Leviathan, Patriarch Botis and Shaman Oranthes which would award you with 200m, 400m or 600m depending on your result etc.?

Another option could be to add a Daily or Weekly Segment to the Pictorial Book that asked for certain items that would be hard to farm that would reward you with a fair amount of gold, or you could have your Alber Faction give you Daily Bounties on mobs from the opposing Faction that would award you with a small amount of gold.

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 13:35




The people who are commonly low on gold are (in a majority of cases) those who doesn't want to spend their life savings on buying IC, so the only ones who would buy that money are most likely the people who already have gold. Sure, it would put more gold into the game, but that gold would just end up in the pocket of the already rich people eventually. It wouldn't solve anything.

what we need is for a way to farm gold without having to spend our life savings on it. If not by raising gold drops,

as long as you would be willing to put in the work to do them level).


LC is like real life, except u can't starve to death since its pixels. But the economy works in the same way, want to buy something nice, put gold aside, or farm it, since the gold income to the game is lowered, its harder, but there is always a way, people adapt. From what i've seen mobs infront of ramslo raid drop around 20k gold, those inside also something like that.

BUT 8o but but but :D but :D
You can farm gold on cursed weavers and liches in Egeha (and there's plenty of them around), last time i was there gold drop was 25-45k, I think best so far that I've noticed, so get some lucky spell books and a 90 toon equipped with buffs and LSB and LS and empty inventory and go grind. The advantage of this grinding is you don't need to pick up gold. It goes riiight into your inventory. :D Lazy people don't like picking up stuff so this is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge relief for them. :D

but but :D:D


ps (what I think, using the technique common sense, reason why we got this gold drop rate lowered in the first place was cause, yea we could farm decent gold, but those who had everything were stacking up too much of it I guess. If you look at it in the long term, they will stack trillions cause they got everything in the game since this server is full of high lvls and they'll just sit and do nothn. This will make them spend their gold reserves. While low lvls farm gold, it's enough for them to get closer to be an average player, but they will never be able to afford some neat and cool stuff cause the ones who got it are rich and are sitting on gold, and they are greedy and they want a fortune for their neat and cool stuff, and basically they don't need the neat and cool stuff cause they are using the best high lvl stuff they could afford, they just want to earn big on the stuff they got. :| At least, what I think...)
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Friday, 17. February 2017, 17:06

LC is like real life, except u can't starve to death since its pixels. But the economy works in the same way, want to buy something nice, put gold aside, or farm it, since the gold income to the game is lowered, its harder, but there is always a way, people adapt. From what i've seen mobs infront of ramslo raid drop around 20k gold, those inside also something like that.

BUT 8o but but but :D but :D
You can farm gold on cursed weavers and liches in Egeha (and there's plenty of them around), last time i was there gold drop was 25-45k, I think best so far that I've noticed, so get some lucky spell books and a 90 toon equipped with buffs and LSB and LS and empty inventory and go grind. The advantage of this grinding is you don't need to pick up gold. It goes riiight into your inventory. :D Lazy people don't like picking up stuff so this is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge relief for them. :D

but but :D:D


so bran is at it again? no point in replying to a post if u dont understand the concept of it tyvm..
your happy with 25-45k gold cash drops..
lets just understand the fact of it. its okay gold for that lvl since it is not like u need loads to upgrade your gear or build at this point..
but try understand that not every monster u kill while u farm does even drop this.. and that the luckyspell book is allso a lose if u use it. it aint cheap to buy of people or itemmall.
and what sorta gold u make a hour 50-70m ? why do that if u can do better on main just by doing monstercombo?
and sell coms at 200k each u would make more then farming gold.
the point is the economy. u make 50-70m a hour or something like that.
so your saying this amount of gold and the countless hours is enough to supply iris cash buyers to buy their things to make a market slowing instead of it being dead ?
the answer is no. it does not work like that people spend alot of ic but cant sell the items it kills the market and makes no sense to buy ic then if they cant move it.
and less gold day by day flowing the market becouse the people who got it just horde it for the time they need or want to spend which could be first with new content or never. to supply the market when there are these horders there need to be more gold flowing why care how much the horders have if their hording dont give them nothing but grief and boredom ? they gold gold wont spend nothing for them to buy and they got it all. doesnt make sense to nerf it for every1 else couse a few is like that.
u can manage with 50-70m gold a hour as a low lvl sure but to save up a few bils just simply takes to long and anyways the items u need that gold for is allready the horders who are selling.
not to mention all the gold sinks there is. how maybe about make Bianca charge % of how much u have stored in bank ? make bank bigger and just pay fee for items in there ?

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 18:07

your happy with 25-45k gold cash drops..
I'd be happy with 100 mill per drop :/ but nobody asked me when they were setting it up :S;(

lets just understand the fact of it. its okay gold for that lvl since it is not like u need loads to upgrade your gear or build at this point..
Only thing that makes sense from ur whole post 8|


but try understand that not every monster u kill while u farm does even drop this.. and that the luckyspell book is allso a lose if u use it. it aint cheap to buy of people or itemmall.



also something you wrote that makes sense, not every monster, like 10-20 of them are in a close area, there's actuallymore of them, that drops 25-45k gold per kill, I don't buy ic, i got myself on top trough grind and play, many many years of grind/play, but it is a choice put infront of you, to buy that subscription of lucky spell books in item mall that is there right now, spend 10$, i think its 1500ic for it, get 30 of them, and go cursed weavers and farm probly 50-90k gold per kill, don't forget u can ask someone for lvl 4 windy hands/step, wep u can make +15 with hs u get free from quiz, this is from a perspective of a player who doesnt use 3 jags, elephant etc... now imagine what kind of gold u can farm in 1 hour with the full pony power... :D

and what sorta gold u make a hour 50-70m ? why do that if u can do better on main just by doing monstercombo?
and sell coms at 200k each u would make more then farming gold.
the point is the economy. u make 50-70m a hour or something like that.

First thing, I don't think you can farm 50-70m, unless you're a noob and takes you 1 min to kill a weaver or lich :rolleyes:
You know what they say about asumptions, asumption is the mother of all...
I didn't do one hour, but I bet you didn't either. Actually I am sure. :D You're just talk alot, no actions. :D


By doing mc you are getting 200k from players, not from the system, key is to bring gold in the game from the system, not from other players :D that is the point of this discussion, and you are contradicting yourself with your own posts :pinch: My Gawd :|


so your saying this amount of gold and the countless hours is enough to supply iris cash buyers to buy their things to make a market slowing instead of it being dead ?

It is not enough, economy, life itself has slowed down, slowed down from 5th gear to 1st. This is what you don't see, people are used to this 5th gear exchange. Now they just need time to learn how to behave in 1st gear. :D Let it sink in... Just let it sink in... :|
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the answer is no. it does not work like that people spend alot of ic but cant sell the items it kills the market and makes no sense to buy ic then if they cant move it.
and less gold day by day flowing the market becouse the people who got it just horde it for the time they need or want to spend which could be first with new content or never. to supply the market when there are these horders there need to be more gold flowing why care how much the horders have if their hording dont give them nothing but grief and boredom ? they gold gold wont spend nothing for them to buy and they got it all. doesnt make sense to nerf it for every1 else couse a few is like that.

Nope, it doesn't work like that indeed, in deed... :D from 5th gear to 1st gear the1, from 5th gear to 1st gear, keep repeating that in your mind. I am not happy about this either, I would also like to buy stuff, use it on my armor/wep/chars and equip my char with stuff I want in a day, but since I can't affect it in any way, and I know writing anything here won't make a difference, did it ever ? :D
So I suffer in silence, and adapt to the changes. You should learn that too. :|


u can manage with 50-70m gold a hour as a low lvl sure but to save up a few bils just simply takes to long and anyways the items u need that gold for is allready the horders who are selling.
not to mention all the gold sinks there is. how maybe about make Bianca charge % of how much u have stored in bank ? make bank bigger and just pay fee for items in there ?
THAT MY FRIEND IS THE MAIN POINT OF THIS POST, to not be able to hoard 10000000000 bills in one day, this is why you ask people to save the item for you while you collect gold for it, THIS IS THE MAIN point of this whole gold income reduction, to slow people down, they get what they want in a day and get bored with it and don't know what to do in the game(keep saying in world chat: IM BORED IM BOOORED) then they don't play active or quit. You want more people in the game, this is the way, nobody said it is going to be easy. Can you get new players to stay with all the glitter glowing from the high lvls who do nothing cause they don't know what to do with their LC life. Idk if you're friend with Piks, but he said when he shows all his glitterness to newbies who just arrived to the server, he says the glow is so strong it makes them quit right away.

What I learned from life, for the items you need, you need time and hard work to get, you appreciate it the most than anything else. This is what I think (my opinion) is the whole reason of this pointless discussion. That you and everyone else slow down, appreciate what you earn trough the long way and which is achieved hard.
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Friday, 17. February 2017, 18:28

the gold income is to low to supply the market is the main thing and Theres alot of gold drains more draining ways then incomeing ways
and no i did not test weavers but as it is u dont get gold drops ever time if you would u would get alot more
i grind / farm in other places getting 20-40k a kill and make 20-40m ish a hour with 2 attack speed and 2 hitting them with my noob weapon so i wont lose income on repairing durability weapon.
im not asking for makeing a bil a hour and if u read that was being two people 1 npcing other killing. that allmoste 1b we made that way was to split so 500m each.
then pots cost to remove of that and the ic item to npc at the location.
and the rates on upgradeing and reforming gears isent cheap since the rates require loads and loads of ic items and there are people selling but no1 buying becouse of the factor that Theres no gold and to farm gold is imposible pretty much in amounts that would ever make u able to optain those items.
so sure yes u can bh and mc. but that is not adding gold its getting u items u gotta sell to others which doesent profit or add gold.
and now look into all the other things that drain gold.
afinity shops ? npc. gold glasses.
to reform high grade stuff u need 100 gold glasses thats 100m and to get good zeals well.. your in for a ride of your life since it is completely random and really low rates,
so afinity shops ? sin killer. owl. jinarr. mazar thats pure drains too. owl especialy eats up sooo much and then ofc oscar and lakin for crafting pounches and attack pounches. add it up.
and Theres so many items people want but cant afford. becouse of the issue at hand with no gold flowing the market. people offering to trade ic for it.
and those who dont have or use ic well their just not gonna cut it and just sit around all day doing nothing but chatting or mcing.

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 18:53

While I do agree that something needs to be done about the economy, why would you bring up things like Boss Hunting and Monster Combo when it isn't a solution to the problem we're discussing and to be fair, was not brought up by the person you're replying to? Let's return to the original question of the thread instead of bringing up things that doesn't work without providing a solution to it.

Let's say that they do raise the Gold Drop Rate again. What would happen then? The prices would rise again because gold would be more readily available again and that would put us in the same situation again, just with an additional 0 at the end of the gold pile. Like Bran mentioned, the whole point of the Gold Drop Rate was, most likely, to slow things down a bit.


With that being said however, going from Gear 5 to Gear 1 in a single sweep is NOT a good way to go about it. There's a reason modern cars, for example, have a set lock which doesn't allow u to switch from the highest gear to the lowest in an instant: because it would probably damage the gears. That's where I feel the economy is at the moment, if we are to build on your previous analogy. We switched from Gear 5 to Gear 1 too quickly, and something in the gearbox took a hit.

I suggested the use of Daily Quests or something similar to pump more gold into the game because that is one of the few things that IC Users can't do better than non-IC users. Sure, they could use IC to buy better pots and gear, but in the end their gain would be the same per day as any other player's, possibly even lower if they bought pots for regular gold instead of IC. Of course, this system would certainly be flawed as well in some ways, a few of which I'm sure someone will point out to me, but that was my reasoning for why I would prefer they added gold through quests or bounties rather than raise the Gold Drop Rates again. That, and since they just lowered it I doubt they would raise it again so soon.

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Friday, 17. February 2017, 18:59

the gold income is to low to supply the market is the main thing and Theres alot of gold drains more draining ways then incomeing ways
and no i did not test weavers but as it is u dont get gold drops ever time if you would u would get alot more
i grind / farm in other places getting 20-40k a kill and make 20-40m ish a hour with 2 attack speed and 2 hitting them with my noob weapon so i wont lose income on repairing durability weapon.
im not asking for makeing a bil a hour and if u read that was being two people 1 npcing other killing. that allmoste 1b we made that way was to split so 500m each.
then pots cost to remove of that and the ic item to npc at the location.
and the rates on upgradeing and reforming gears isent cheap since the rates require loads and loads of ic items and there are people selling but no1 buying becouse of the factor that Theres no gold and to farm gold is imposible pretty much in amounts that would ever make u able to optain those items.
so sure yes u can bh and mc. but that is not adding gold its getting u items u gotta sell to others which doesent profit or add gold.
and now look into all the other things that drain gold.
afinity shops ? npc. gold glasses.
to reform high grade stuff u need 100 gold glasses thats 100m and to get good zeals well.. your in for a ride of your life since it is completely random and really low rates,
so afinity shops ? sin killer. owl. jinarr. mazar thats pure drains too. owl especialy eats up sooo much and then ofc oscar and lakin for crafting pounches and attack pounches. add it up.
and Theres so many items people want but cant afford. becouse of the issue at hand with no gold flowing the market. people offering to trade ic for it.
and those who dont have or use ic well their just not gonna cut it and just sit around all day doing nothing but chatting or mcing.


See, you doo understand, but just abit, there are ic players and non ic players, the economy can go 2 ways, everything going super cheap, or everything going super expensive, the economy when gamigo took over was 2.5-3m for 1ic, and 600m for pbi, 12-15m for 1 expb
Untill recently it was 1m 1 ic, 200m for pbi, 3-5m for expb. So, we had deflation reaching bottom, gamigo reacted before it reached bottom, it reacted because it was reaching the fate of aeria, bankrupt, so, they took out, well not took out, crippled one factor in the game, the decisive factor, gold. As u can see pbi is around 250-300m already, ic tokens 65-75m, expb are still same price, etc...

This is why I said you understand just a bit :D there is something in that head of yours. ^^ We will need a microscope to see what it is. :D Balance must be maintained, one that satisfies the players and the owners of the server, it is very hard to keep it, hope you understand that. A win-win situation in business... not an easy thing to do.

you get drops too from weavers, which you can npc, u can teleport town, npc, go back to spot, you're killing on a lvl 90 toon, so keep the inventory clean, duuh, you are supose to prepare yourself for it. :D

"to reform high grade stuff u need 100 gold glasses thats 100m and to get good zeals well"

See this is the point of every game, people who pay real money to the game should be in an advantage over those who don't spend, ofc there is a possibility aka ic tokens so those who got the ingame currency, all sorts of armor weps gold to trade for these ic tokens and the ordinary players get the shiny item mall items too.

what you want is EVERYBODY to be in the 1st class in the plane, that's not how life works, that's not how LC works, well it worked at aeria, they went bankrupt :D you make business, you make business to maintain it, not to go on a ride where you do 1 spin and you are gone. :D you do it so stuff gets maintained.

all those affinities, yes they take gold, nobody making you to buy from the affinity shops, ALSO there are alternatives, kill ele bosses, get owl pills from there, that's how i got over 300+ on each toon i got. These are not like candy so u stuff urself with a whole bag of candies. These are there to serve as an advantage, nobody is making you use this advantage. :D

There are alternatives to everything in the game, you just dont like the recieving tempo of these alternatives, u want the same tempo the people with the dinero have...

Well, another life lesson for you the1, you get how much you pay for. no more, no less :D you work, and you get work done depending on the effort you invested in it, stuff won't land into your plate on its own.

From my experience, I wouldnt be where i am without the alternatives in the game. Like i said, this situation right now, it wont change, the only thing that will change is you stop typing here about it. What i've learned from my college, there are 20% who adapt to the changes right away, 60% of those you have to work on to adapt and 20% of those who refuse to adapt to changes.
I am in those 20% who adapts to changes right away, otherwise i would not be playing lc for this long. :D

Question you should ask yourself, in which category of people adapting to changes you fit in. :D
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Saturday, 18. February 2017, 00:49

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Saturday, 18. February 2017, 02:31

Farming in Eggy is fine if you have an NS otherwise you have to spend most of your time earning back the fee you paid to get there and God forbid you dc or have to leave there for some other reason...

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